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A couple of months ago during the 40th<\/sup> anniversary week of Nottingham Forest\u2019s second European Cup victory I spoke with the very man that lifted the trophy, the legendary John McGovern.<\/p>\n

Despite jumping at the opportunity to interview one so coveted perhaps my opening gambit could have set me up for instant failure, I asked John if he ever got bored of talking about his time at Nottingham Forest under Brian Clough? \u201cNot really\u201d he replied, \u201cbecause it\u2019s such a memorable highlight in your life. Nottingham Forest were not a big city club like the ones in London or Manchester, we did something unusual in not only winning the European Cup but retaining it also, breaking a few records along the way.\u201d<\/p>\n

I alluded to the fact that Brian Clough took John McGovern with him to most of the clubs he managed, I asked John if his confidence in Clough lessened after the experience at Leeds United? \u201cNot at all, because it was the players at Leeds United who were responsible for Brian\u2019s departure. Unfortunately, I was left behind for a couple of months at a club that didn\u2019t want me and with fans that hated me, they actually booed me when I ran out to make my debut! Teammates like Gordon McQueen, Eddie Gray, Frank Gray and Joe Jordan were good to me, but the senior players wanted nothing to do with me.\u201d John chuckled as he went on to say, \u201cI\u2019m sure you\u2019re aware of how much pleasure I take in wearing my European Cup winners tie when I go back to Elland Road.\u201d<\/p>\n

As the interview progressed, I detected real humility form John McGovern, given all that he\u2019s achieved in the world of football, not once did show signs of an ego or arrogance. My own nervousness and inferiority diminished as we chatted like two blokes over a pint in their local.<\/p>\n

The next topic of conversation revolved around the deployment of holding midfielders and whether the man himself perceived himself as one all those years ago? \u201cI did become a holding midfielder\u201d said John, \u201cprimarily because I had no pace and couldn\u2019t go past people.\u201d He went on to describe how a fateful match against Everton, whilst playing for Derby, paved the way for that very style of play. \u201cI started that match on the right but took it upon myself to mark Alan Ball out of the game, I did it well and we beat Everton that night, they went on to win the title that season too. At full time I was really pleased with myself but Cloughie soon brought me back to earth, he said \u201cAlan Ball never got a kick but don\u2019t think you did anything special for our side!\u201d<\/p>\n

Brian Clough used McGovern\u2019s new tactic to their advantage from that day onwards, John explained how the manager would earmark certain players for the Scotsman to negate. \u201cBrian would say to me, make sure you take Liam Brady out of the game, and if he gets a kick, I\u2019m going to be kicking you!\u201d<\/p>\n

We began talking about the contrast between the modern game and that of yesteryear. I brought up the York City match played in thick snow at the City Ground, John was delighted by this and was quick to point out that both he and Larry Lloyd were on the scoresheet that day. It was from here that he provided me with a fascinating story regarding a frozen pitch at Luton\u2019s Kenilworth Road. John said \u201cI put on a pair of pair of Stan Smith tennis trainers much to the apprehension of Brian Clough, the rest of the boys had rubbers on but couldn\u2019t stay on their feet. I was fine and performed really well, so much so that Cloughie paid me a rare compliment by saying that he\u2019d never question my choice of footwear again. John explained that he wears Stan Smith to this day, \u201cI still think they\u2019re the best ever tennis shoes, but I would because I\u2019m an old fart!\u201d<\/p>\n

One of the very few trophies that John McGovern failed to lift at Forest was the Intercontinental cup, being ruled out through injury as Nacional of Uruguay lifted the cup after a 1-0 victory in 1981. I asked John how much importance Clough and Taylor placed on the game between European and South American Champions? \u201cThey took it very seriously, as they did with any game we played, they wanted to win it\u201d said John. \u201cUs players were equally as gutted about the car that we missed out on; the man of the match was to be awarded a brand new car so we\u2019d already agreed to sell it and split the cash if Robbo was successful!\u201d<\/p>\n

John then explained how Peter Taylor had given the Forest team sleeping tablets to beat the jet lag of the journey to and from Japan. \u201cWe were literally knocked out\u201d he said, \u201cwe arrived in Tokyo about 1am but Pete kept us all up and forced us to stay on Greenwich Mean Time. Although we lost the Intercontinental Cup, unlike most European sides who made the same journey, we returned to winning ways on the Saturday afterwards, so It worked in a sense.\u201d<\/p>\n

Perhaps the most sensitive line of questioning that I broached was John McGovern\u2019s exclusion from the Scotland national side throughout his career. By the tone of his voice I could instantly tell it had been a heavy cross to bear. I asked what may have been the catalyst for such an exile? In a sombre voice John explained as follows; \u201cWhen playing for the Scotland Under 23 side myself and Sandy Jardine of Rangers had been selected out of position, I made a change and switched Sandy into his familiar right back role whilst I sat in the centre of the park. Tommy Docherty, who was managing the side, wasn\u2019t too impressed and dragged me off soon afterwards.\u201d<\/p>\n

John also highlighted the famous photograph of the Nottingham Forest players in kilts following the demolition of Manchester United at Old Trafford in 1977, titled \u201cBrian Clough\u2019s flying Scotsmen.\u201d As many will know, then Scotland manager Ally MacLeod claimed he wasn\u2019t aware John McGovern was even Scottish, this after declaring that all of Forest\u2019s Scotsmen would be selected for the 1978 World Cup.<\/p>\n

John said \u201cThat really did rankle me, I\u2019d love to have played just once for Scotland, I left Scotland when I was about 6 years old. It\u2019s my birth right and I\u2019m very proud to be Scottish!\u201d Although he was sombre, John wasn\u2019t upset or emotional, he spoke with a great degree of pragmatism and grace which is indicative of the man we all know and love. Ironically, John McGovern was inducted into the Scottish Hall of Fame a couple of years back, a story with a touch of hilarity to it. John explained how he received a phone call from a young lady, bearing the great news about his inclusion. Again, he laughed hysterically as he explained the encounter to me; \u201cI said to the lady on the phone, very good, has Kenny Burns put you up to this? Before hanging up on her! Only when she rang back did I believe it to be true.\u201d<\/p>\n

Wearing an armband doesn\u2019t constitute being a captain, having the courage of your convictions to make tactical changes on the field, orchestrating your own defensive midfield role, and influencing the great Brian Clough in the process most certainly does. I\u2019m sure you\u2019ve heard experts and pundits alike use this example many times before, \u201cthe manager is rendered powerless to control the game once those players step over the white line.\u201d Not entirely gospel but there\u2019s an element of truth within that rhetoric, exactly the reason why John McGovern was so intrinsic to the most successful side in the history of Nottingham Forest Football Club. His account of wearing the Stan Smith\u2019s may have sounded a little slapstick but it was another fine example of self-assurance and professionalism, I doubt many modern footballers can manage their footwear as well as their social media accounts.<\/p>\n

As interviews go, for me personally they don\u2019t come much bigger than Nottingham Forest\u2019s legendary skipper. Listening back to the dictation was surreal, for a man like John McGovern to offer me so much of his time was just wonderful. I owe a huge dept of gratitude to Alan March also, without whom, this opportunity would not have been possible.<\/p>\n

\"Steve-Corry<\/p>\n

*Article provided by\u00a0<\/em>Steve Corry<\/a><\/em>\u00a0(Nottingham Forest Correspondent).<\/em><\/p>\n

Main image\u00a0@NFFC<\/a> McGovern lifting the European Cup something only a few club captains have done more than once.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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